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>> can you hang around and we will add somebody. they are adding more commercials. >> ridiculous. >> it airs august 22nd. the documentary is >> tonight on "all in." >> do you really think you could beat hillary clinton? >> great question. the answer is yes. >> hillary clinton is officially feeling the burn. as bernie takes the lead on hillary in new hampshire. what to make of all the early polling. plus, matt taibbi on 2016 the reality show. >> the bible! >> the first republican finally drops an attack ad on donald trump. >> then planned parenthood gets some love from the republican front-runner. >> i cherish women.
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>> plus, vanity fair and the twitter over tinder. and california's revolutionary approach to water conservation. behold shade balls. >> 3, 2, 1! >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. for the first time ever, hillary clinton is trailing in a poll on the democratic presidential primary and almost as remarkable, just who is beating her. one bernard bernie sanders. in a new poll of democratic voters in new hampshire, sanders leads clinton 44-37%. well outside the margin of error. while sanders does hail from the next door neighbor vermont, the last time this very same poll was conducted in march, he got just 8% compared to clinton. now this is just one poll but it comes as bernie sanders has been
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drawing biggest crowds of the campaign on either side so far. nearly 28,000 people in l.a. on a monday night. and even more than that, the night before in portland. it also comes as questions about the private e-mail system hillary clinton used as secretary of state are back in the news with clinton now agreeing to turn over her server to the fbi. nbc's andrea mitchell spoke on the phone earlier today. and he passed on an opportunity to attack clinton over those e-mails. >> do you think that the, her decline in the polls has any effect, does it reflect the e-mail controversy? trust? >> all i can tell you is we have been focusing on our issues which is to create an economy that works for the middle class of the country and not a handful of billionaires. that's what i've been focused on. >> you may be the only candidate running for president not wanting to jump all over her on this. is that a deliberate strategy? >> i'll tell you. i honestly believe the american people are tired of
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old-fashioned politics where you're supposed to be beating up on all your opponents. i like hillary clinton, i respect hillary clinton, i disagree with her on many issues and that's what i'll be talking about. >> the democratic pollster who worked on both of barack obama's campaigns. cornell, let me start with you. one part of me says, oh, my god. i am genuinely shocked. i will. i am surprised that bernie sanders is 7 points up in a poll in new hampshire. of democratic primary voters of a poll with a good sampling size. well, it's august, super early and go back and look at it in 2011 or 2007. and rudolph giuliani is the president of the united states. as a pollster, what is your reaction to this? >> i would say curb your enthusiasm a bit. it is awfully early. you have an electorate, i was looking at the number in some of the polling from cnn that was out. you have two-thirds of the caucus electorate or the primary electorate who is still searching. not certain of their vote. and this poll could be an
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outlier. there are things that happen when you get polled that is an outlier. if you look at the trend here, hillary has been running comfortably ahead and almost every place. this could be an outlier but it could be in fact what you see is bernie sort of catching on. do i think he is going to surge ahead of clinton in all these places? no. i think most voters still don't know him. that's what this is about. building his name identification, defining a strong contrast with clinton. i think it was real smart from that interview, he didn't take debate and attack hillary. clearly bernie sanders is disciplined. they know not to attack hillary clinton. that's not who he is. that's not how they'll beat hillary clinton. >> bernie sanders is one of the most disciplined on message individuals on the face of the earth. i mean, bernie, what did you have for breakfast?
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i had a middle class -- i'm saying this with admiration. it is not something he just put out in the field and poll tested. he's been saying this for years. every single fiber believes it. it is not hard to give that message. the question i have is, what do you think the clinton campaign does with bernie sanders? i think they're inclined to basically ignore him. run the race. roll out the policy proposals. get up in the air with positive ads when they need to as we get closer. and the sanders thing will go away. at a certain point, they may not be able to do that. >> i think, i take them at their word they welcome him into the race and they're glad they have him. i think that this is a good thing for the democratic party. and it is a good thing for
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hillary clinton because of that. i hear a lot of comparisons that i totally disagree with between donald trump and bernie sanders. they both seem like unlikely long shots who are capturing enthusiasm. he is talking about issues that people want to be front and center. the fact that he is able to focus this race around economic populism is a fantastic thing and i think the dialogue going back and forwards between him and black lives matter is only a good thing for the democratic party going forward. isn't it kind of fun to be watching democratic primary that is issues focused? that is actually, take a look on the other side of the aisle. this whole thing is making me proud of our democrats and happy to be a democrat. >> one important thing. the thing that donald trump and bernie sanders have most in common is the way they pronounce the word that is spelled h-u-g-e which is pronounced huge. they both pronounce it huge.
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i think you're right about the speciousness of that comparison. but here's the internals. i think there is an anticipation, a lot of the media has a vested interest in competition and would love nothing more than to see hillary clinton in a neck in neck race. if there is a rooting interest in the media, the rooting interest is uncertainty, surprises, competition. so i am wary of that bias. that said, there is in this polling what you might call an enthusiasm gap. excited about hillary clinton's candidacy, 35%. could support her, 51%. we have seen this with howard dean and john kerry and enthusiasm doesn't get that you far it turns out in the end. is there something there that is being measured? >> the energy is always good. particularly energy is good when you're going into caucus. most americans don't understand
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caucuses because they are a weird, crazy thing that only some people do in weird crazy places. but you have to really be for a candidate to go through a caucus process. it is not hike you're going to the voting booth and push a button and then walk away. so enthusiasm and energy of a base group is really good and helpful in caucuses. but so is organization. i think when you look at the energy behind bernie, the i think it is a good thing. i think he has a long way to go in defining himself and drawing a strong contrast that puts him on one side and hillary on another side where he can really pull through. one of the things, in a way that's not a hard negative, hillary does very well when people attack her. she can take a punch. one of the thing the obamacare campaign was able to do in 2007, 2008. put a hard contrast in a way that was not a negative or really sort of hard negative. part of that was experience. they put experience on top of the pyramid. the obama campaign turned that
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on its head and said this kind of experience led us to iraq. and i think he has to final his hard contrast. where he can put hillary on one side without going hard negative after her. >> thank you both. at donald trump's campaign stop in michigan last night, his first since the republican debate, he shared some of his reading habits after noticing someone holding his book, the art of the deal. >> hold that book up, please. that's my second favorite book of all time. do you know what my first is? the bible! nothing beats the bible. nothing beats the bible. not even the art of the deal. not even close. >> that ladies and gentlemen, is your republican front-runner.
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new polling shows he may be consolidating his lead in iowa. trump is now at 22%. well ahead of the runner up. ben carson at 14%. let's just pause with that. perfect time for the donald to travel to des moines this weekend to attend the iowa state fair. in every presidential cycle, mike taibbi heads to iowa to chronicle the insanity leading up to it. the carnivals, the voters trying to get heard with. trump leading the race, it is even more insane than usual. taibbi writes, the thing is when you think about it, it is not funny. given what's at stake, it is more like the opposite. like the first sign of the collapse of the u.s. as a super power. 20 years from now when we're all living in pre history and hunting rats with sticks, we'll probably look back at this
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moment as the beginning of the end. matt taibbi back from that trip. whenever i see you, i have to point thumbs one the bible. i like the piece. here's what i want to know. you go every year. every four. >> couldn't do it every year. >> every four. there is a kind of pomp and circumstance to the whole thing. and i've been out on the campaign trail. there is something great about how accessible a lot of people are. you talk to voters, to the candidates, they're all around. what is different this time around? >> so normally at this time in the campaign, the candidates are sort of trying stuff out and they're being very, very conservative. they will do, they don't do anything to try to raise at love ripples.
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>> it is the be opposite. it is like previews for a broadway play. right? you're just, you don't want the press to come. you're ironing out the kinks. >> right. when i was a student i used to go to comedy clubs in new york when they were trying stuff out in the afternoons. very much like that in the campaign trail normally at this time in the race. what's happening with trump in the race. and the fact there are so many candidates. that all these people feel a tremendous pressure to get into the media and so they're saying, you know, thins they know are extremely outhandlish in a desperate attempt to create media headlines. why was huckabee doing this thing about maybe sending troops or the fbi to close abortion clinics. lindsey graham going back to iraq. all of these things. >> what has change the dynamic in the four years since the last one? >> trump. what is happening now, in the old days, candidates were very, very afraid of having high negatives. about doing anything that would sour voters on you.
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but trump is completely flipping that script on its head. what he's proving is that name recognition, media recognition, hits on the internet. all of these things are more important than whether people feel positively or negatively. >> isn't that fools gold? these people have lots of money behind them. there is some private equity guy in the background who will write a $10 million check. there are grown-up consultants saying, this may get you a bump in august. but you will have to live with your oven doors comment, former governor huckabee. that won't be helpful down the road. it is fools gold. don't go for it. >> or maybe this is a new paradigm and a new electorate. maybe what's going on with trump is a new genuine revolt against the politics you're talking about. where the hedge fund guy is behind him. trump represents a rebellion. that's why people are supporting him. he is crazy and you wouldn't want him anywhere near the nuclear briefcase but he is not scripted. that's what voters are responding to.
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>> the trump schik that i like so much. i used to be a donor. he said i wrote everybody checks. they want to play golf with me. and like your system is bought and paid for. let me tell you because i used to be the one doing the purchasing. he loves that line. >> yeah. that went over extremely well in the debate. the whole thing about hillary coming to his wedding. it was lifting the veil on the process in a way we don't see happen. >> he has this response, this feud with rand paul. he has this back and forth about, you know, basically like, every time someone attacks him. he is like this person wanted to go play golf with me. lindsey graham. unless his views have changed, unless you're a young yielding granite. recently rand paul called me and asked me to play golf. i easily beat him on the golf course and will even more easily beat him now in the world of politics. >> he is like the stalin of modern day politics. the greatest golfer, the greatest baseball player. >> the real sort of like concept
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you'll bed rock to me here, there is this old political thesis. it is all about the fact that parties, party establishments choose nominees. and there is a question about whether that is breaking down. it is bob dole and then mccain and romney. is it breaking down now? >> that's the big question. there have been a few moments where we thought in the past that it was breaking down. howard dean was a moment. >> and it snapped right back. this is the book most serious threat that we've seen to this process yet. whoever the people are who are controlling it, they are completely out to sea with this trump thing. they don't have a back channel way to get in touch with him. especially you see carson is rising to the polls. and fiorina. it is a genuinely interesting phenomenon. thank you very much. welcome back. a quick reminder, the true battles haven't even started yet. and later, a negative vanlt fair profile question.
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when you go back, it seem the economy does better under the democrats. liberal on health care. we have to take care of people who are sick. >> universal health coverage? >> hillary clinton is a terrific woman. i'm a little biased because i've known her for years. >> rand paul release ad new ad. it is the sort of thing you can expect to see a lot more of if he stays in the race much longer. it is hard to imagine seeing as we're already into presidential debate scene. the general election is 453 days away and the iowa caucuses are still 172 days away. that is a long time. right now the candidates and super pacs are largely focused on raising money. money they can spend to tear down opponents when the time comes and they will. in 2012, about $1.92 billion spent a tv ads alone. right now they're asking battle lines but no one has even begun to fire a single shot. the artillery remains unspent. when they do, it will have a huge impact on the race. you can ask claire mccaskill who
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today somewhat strangely revealed in a 2012 race when she was a long shot for re-election, she spent $1.7 to engineer victory in the republican primary for far right conservative todd akin. she put out an ad that look like an attack on akin but was actually an attempt to boost him in the primary while disqualifying him with voters. >> the most conservative? he would completely eliminate the departments of education and energy and privatize social security. fod's pro family general. and he says president obama is a complete menace to our civilization. >> akin would go on to win the gop primary thanks that large part to that ad and then lose the general after suggesting the victims of, quote, legitimate rape rarely get pregnant. mccaskill kept the senate seat almost no one thought she would hang on to. >> you have to be such a bummer, dude. >> it's august. not august the election year but
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the year before the election. we've never seen anything like this before, so much focus on polls so early in the campaign. as much as we would like to see the drama play itself out. you can't overcome the cal end darr. we're half a year until iowa. if you look back to past years, it was rudolph giuliani. hillary clinton in 2007. joe lieberman. >> i do think a lot of rules
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have been changing. there is a sort of sense that the future will look like the past and these are the kinds of rules. we have not quite, there is a lot of things about this that are unprecedented. the number of people on the field. the full flowering of the citizens primary with super pacs mobilized very early on. the kind of money game is very different handle the it used to be. there are a lot of ways the rules changed. >> if you look at 538, i'm really skemt cal about donald trump's chances of winning the nomination. the fact is there is a likelihood they might have a very long drawn out nomination process. trump we think is probably for now topped out in the polls. the people gaining are not the establish many candidates.
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it inot walker, bush, maybe rubio. but carson, fiorina who is on the fringe of being an anti-establishment candidate. when it was at 10% in the polls, they have a long way to sort it out. >> a big thing to bring it back to ads. i think most people have a sense, don't have a real sense, that almost all of what a modern campaign does is raise money on one side and buy ads on the other. that's a massive amount. >> a republican campaign, democrats want a turnout as bush did. sometime you see little bumps in the polls. so john kasich in new hampshire had a little ad by. when you only need to go from 5% to 10% to be second or third place in those polls. he is buying those ads probably
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to get a favorable buzz from people like us, i suppose. who say kasich has momentum now. you pace for itself down the road. >> what do we know about the efficacy of ads? my sense is it doesn't last very long but they can have an effect. when you start to dump buys in. >> the half life, usually you would conserve your money until the end. if you want to create momentum. it is usually a fake term when journalists apply it. when you want people to give you money, it helps to be on that primary stage and not the junior stage. >> that's the new rule. making this cut-off. the national polling early on. the key thing, the normal logic of political ad buys. we're not thinking big multimillion-dollar buys. we're not seeing big negative buys, negative mailers. that will come. >> it will come. people i think should rejoice and that's part of the campaign where it is fun and free flowing.
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we're very, very early here. i think there's more of a case on the gop side than the democratic side. this race looks a lot like 2000. it was bradley versus al gore. it is really boring if you have a candidate seen as inevitable. but clinton has been endorsed by already half the democratic congress. she's raised lots of money. she has a 30-point lead in national polls. bernie sanders could win new hampshire, iowa, but can he sustain with it a larger population. >> there is a lot about this that is uncharted. more uncharted on the gop side but i think it is broadly uncharted. it is a lot of the mechanisms are breaking down. >> 538.com. coming up in facing the california historic drought, they have gotten creative. we'll introduce to you shade balls.
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and then the women's health issues, i am for that. i will be great on women's health issues. i cherish women. and i will be great on women's health issues. believe me. >> policy details are possibly
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forthcoming but donald trump has now come out apparently as robust defender of women's health care. his declaration comes amidst the latest wave of right wing attacks on planned parenthood. an organization that has a higher net favorability rating than a number of hopefuls including donald trump. once again they have made defunding planned parenthood a popular cry among colonel behalf of republicans. some add indicating to shut down the entire federal government. the whole thing like the shutdown they had before, rather than give federal funding to the organization. one person who held that account a few days ago was one donald trump. but yesterday he changed course saying he wonderful necessarily defund the organization. >> i would look at the good aspects, and i'm sure they do some things properly and good and good for women. and i would look at that. and i would look at other aspects also. we have to take care of women. >> then in front of a troubled sean hannity, he went to to defend the organization. >> let's say there are two planned parenthoods in a way.
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you have it as an abortion clinic. that is a fairly small part of what they do but it is a brutal part and i'm totally against it. i would not do that. they also service women. we have to help women. a lot of women are helped. we have to look at the positives also for planned parenthood. >> plarnl for one is thrilled it appears. he says banning all abortions, shutting down the government and defunding planned parenthood are extreme even for him to take. this puts him to the left of the other candidates, the establishment main stream candidates in the field on the question of whether the government should defund an organization that provides
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we're going to show you something that happened yesterday in los angeles. i want you to take a moment. look at it and try to guess what is going on here. >> two, one, shade balls away! to really understand what is happening, you need to understand severity of california's drought which is what we tried to get our arms around when we reported extensively for a week from california for "all in" american water wars. the drought has massively depleted the reservoirs, something we saw in orange county. california officials realizes they needed a way to preserve the reservoirs. the places that had the water has turned to dust.
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officials in los angeles decided to fight back with 96 million shade balls. that's what they are called. shade balls. the last 20,000 of which were released into the l.a. reservoir. the little black plastic shade balls will reduce water evaporation by shielding the reservoir from the sun and protect the water from u.v. light which would help keep the city's drinking water safe. joining me now, staff writer at the l.a. times who has been covering this. i love when sophisticated ideas sound like they were cooked up by a second grader. it seems so improbable this is the solution. how did this come about? whose idea is this? has this been tried before? >> who need you had needed a ball pit to get people to carry about water quality.
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this was dreamt up by a biologist who was looking for a way to cover the reservoirs. he actually took some notes from airports. he looked at the ponds near airports and saw they had balls to keep the birds away. >> the idea here is this is going on reduce the. a evaporation because it will sort of protect the water from the sun, right? and it will stop the, you don't want to get down to the dust. there is a public health risk there? >> it does a couple things. the biggest thing is help the department of water and power come into compliance with the
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epa's water quality rules. it will block the sun, stop the spread, the dwp estimates it will save something like 300 million gallons a year which is a resource that california really needs right now. >> so everyone is at this and they are saying, i think the same thing which is, what are those made out of? where were they manufactured? and is the plastic that is in there going to stay in there or is it going to leach into the drinking water? >> that is question. they said the plastic here is fine. it is the same plastic that you would final in a one gallon jug of milk at the store. when you buy milk, it come if a plastic jug. the same plastic here. these 96 million balls come from two different california based companies. they do say the plastic is safe and fine to come into contact with drinking water. >> the milk jug, i guess i trust them. i don't know.
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the milk jug you use fortune a week and then you throw it away. you don't leave it outside baking in the california hot sun for months, years at a time. >> that's right. some people who have seen the coverage of it saying you wonderful leave a water bottle out in the sun all day and then think it is safe to drink. these balls will last for up to ten years. the darrel of water and power says it is safe. they go through different there treatments. it is not like the water will come straight from the ball pit out into your faucet. >> how much of a threat, when you say it brought into compliance with the water quality guide lines of the epa. what does that mean? >> this is something the department of water and power has been doing for several years but now we're in a drought. as far back as 2008, the dwp was releasing these balls into reservoirs. they're in three other places in los angeles. the e.p.a. wants utilities to be covering the resevior, investigators. the it was actually too large to cover. the tlopgs would have been to
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bifurcate and create two covers and that would have been about ten time the cost as these balls. so this was kind of seen as the cheaper option if they wanted to cover the reservoirs. >> can you explain why they are black? >> yes. they have carbon blackened them to protect against the u.v. rays of the sun. it is related to the sunlight. some have said, won't this just capture the sunlight and warm the water? dwp says it does not affect the temperature of the water or the air. so that's why they're there. they're there to protect against the u.v. rays. >> there is something distoppian sci-fi about this. we were out there for a week and there are a lot of people who have, like the california experiment coming to an end. but there is something unnerving about this image. how has it gone over in l.a.? >> it is sort of funny. they've been doing this seven years. in that sense it was not totally new. these were the last 20,000 balls of 96 million that went in
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there. it seems to have exploded on social media, on the web. and i think it is that visual. all sorts of videos and pictures of the balls. and it does look very funny. it looks like a ball pit at chuck e. cheese. this seem to be what dwp needed to do to get people to pay attention to water conservation. >> i think it is possible people like to say the phrase, shade balls. still ahead, tinder swiping left. go get help, boy.
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there are countless places where strangers can meet via computer. all it takes is an online service. >> the big difference between meeting in person or online is anonymity. they might know your logon name and your e-mail address but they don't know you. and a word of caution. you don't know them either. >> it was the 1990s. manager didn't quite blank to do with online dating. strangers meeting on message boards and then in person. in the decades since the advent of chat rooms, people have come to material with it only to have a new way to connect. smartphone dating apps. the most notorious being tinder. you can flip through dozens of pictures of people at a time along with some basic bioinformation.
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if you were not interested, you swipe to the left. that banishes the person to your feed. if that person has also swimd right, it is a match and you can start talking and maybe meet up. if that sounds awesome or distopic to you, "vanity fair" will confirm your fears. where sex, intimacy and dating have all been destroyed. one investment said, it's like ordering seamless but you're ordering a person. romantic. a marketing executive, quote, sex has become so easy. i can go on my phone right now and no doubt i can final someone i can have sex with this evening, probably before midnight. someone told the author, they start out with send me nudes or they say something like i'm looking for something quick, within the next 10 or 20 minutes. are you available? straight efficiency.
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the folks at tinder upon reading the article took to twitter. ending with, it's not going on dissuade us from building something that is changing the world, #generation tinder. the company later. they had overreacted which sometimes happens on tinder. the bottom line is tinder is part of a massive social experiment we are running. it is now possible for people to use this device that you have with you right there burning a hole in your pocket to find romantic and sexual connections whenever, at any time, any place. and that is having a really profound effect on behavior. some good, some bad. and we'll debate what it means next.
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raise your expectations. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, control is possible. if you're single and having trouble finding a date, you may be as the song says, in all the wrong places. these days thousands are cruising the internet hoping to find romance in cyberspace. jennifer is a dance instructor who lives in new york city. a few months ago she joined an internet dating service call match.com. >> when i first logged on, it was kind of exciting to think that maybe i could meet somebody on the internet. >> joining me now, jesse, the editor of the social website. i'm going to play the role of grandpa for the next few minutes here, okay? and tell all the kids to get off my lawn. slightly tongue in cheek but a little bit. let's start with tinder. there's a little moral panic in the "vanity fair."
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but there is something dehumanizing about swipe left, swipe right. like people are baseball cards you're tossing around. it is in your phone. like a video game but there are people attached to it. am i wrong to feel unnerved by that? >> what would you do when you go to a party and you're looking to meet somebody? you're kind of doing the same process in your head. it's not sort of -- >> you're doing the same thing. >> maybe more subconsciously than that. >> can you imagine a world in which we evolved the social norms where you make a finger swipe x like physically in front of people? >> it would be too traumatic. nobody would use that app. >> that's part of the question here. ultimately, all of this is about matching. right? the question is, if it is
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firnltly matching people, is that a good thing or a bad thing? >> yeah. >> i think in her article they only looked at hyperactive, hyper promiscuous people. and we all know people who use tinder, grinder, i know people who are married from having met on these sites. >> there is this idea that there is, and this seem to me a deeper critique. you're working on a book on the future of sex. >> right. >> and it seems we are running a big social experiment in which the transaction costs have been dramatically reduced to use an economic term. it is all there, constant. and i know people that use the sites and say you can fall into this almost like video gamesque compulsive searching mentality. because the app is re-creating a mental circuitry that you have of like, playing tetrus or something. >> i wonderful say that's my experience. i think most people are looking for connection. it can become a thing that do
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you when you're bored like anything else on the internet. it becomes compulsive. i think most people are on it because they don't want to be sitting at home by themselves looking at tinder. they want to be out in the world having a conversation or meeting someone they really like. >> do you think it is different than any other technology? you can say when the telephone came along, people, you can imagine no, one writes love letters like they used to. no one does it anymore. now people just talk on the phone. is that what's happening? or is there something distinct about the power of the technology? >> i think part of thing that's confusing, they designed all these sites so they don't, on tinder you don't have to declare what you're looking for. you don't have to declare you're sexual orientation. so there's a way people go in
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with certain expectations. when i was writing it, people would say what they were supposed to be using it for. so there is a way some people might read an article in "vanity fair" and say this is a hook-up app. >> there was a little thought this was just about sex or physical intimacy as opposed to broader sense of finding the one. >> right. and what's confusing is there are not rituals encoded in the technologies. when you go on a date, there is the old-fashioned thing. we haven't figured out the ethics and the rituals and the habits. and that's what's happening. and people are trying all kinds of things. >> there's norms and expectations in the world of dating that have not been established here? >> yeah. maybe if you talk to a 24-year-old wall street banker, he'll be using it to rack up casual sex. >> by midnight. like cinderella. >> yeah. these people are not known for their modesty or their honesty.
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we never really heard anything from the people they met up with. but you know, on the other hand, i have so many friends that use tinder looking for something more meaningful. they have people in their life already if they want to have casual sex, they can meet those people. what they're online to meet, you know, new people. different people. >> you write in the piece about this idea of moral panic. and there is some data that shows teen sexual activity has declined recently? and there is a theory that sexting, the great scourge of new shows, is like an outlet that is reducing actual teen sexual activity. >> whatever is going on, this isn't a dating apocalypse like she described it. the number of sex partners is either stable or going down. that's what all the best evidence says. >> the actual sexual behavior, promiscuity is not sky rocking. in fact there is some evidence to show teen pregnancy rates are going down so maybe smartphones will deliver us to a bright
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future of loving monogamy. thank you for being here. that is "all in." the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> it's all love, chris. and thanks all of you at home for staying with us for the next hour. we begin with big news for two unusual presidential candidates. bernie sanders and donald trump. a new poll showing trump maintaining his lead among iowa republicans, 22%. and that's after the gop debate meaning iowa vote here's have more experience segregation presidential candidates, they are still giving trump some serious consideration. and they must be basing that on his message. in iowa, he doesn't have much of a campaign to speak of. he spent the last few months mostly doing phone interviews from new york on tv. not exactly town halls in des moines.

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